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I've said before that I can't find these "libertarians" in our modern political history. With few exceptions, Goldwater?, Ron Paul?, a small handful of others in between. Those guys are libertarians... Reagan? There's been some debating over that ... French is in a class of his own and RARE breed, my he stay largely unknown.

What Hammer is hitting at is mincing today's understanding of terminology with 1920-1960's (70s'ish) politics largely as a slur... a nice undercut that no one gets. By the comments some are offended but I don't think anyone has really hit on why.

So now maybe I understand the "libertarian reference" going on (finally) but I'd argue It's poorly deceptive if the pot calling the kettle black. I'd also say Hammer is picking on a political ghost they few would even understand well enough to argue about but it has implications that are horrific.

He is right that the conservative side has no fight in them and is being run over. I would contend that stems far more from being in debit and trapped into other more pressing issues like not becoming a target of the FBI. I've stated MANY times we absolutely suck like that.

But what is Hammer suggesting we do? Man up or reintroduce the flip side of Meyer? He really isn't saying it out loud but some seem to be "hearing that" and I'd flatly caution against it.

Maybe he's simply attacking French but it seems not?

To get to the root of Hammer's complaint of Fusionism which is a 100+ year old argument that's raged in-between even libertarians themselves... It isn't well known today but could be summed up into saying the following... Meyer is despised for generally showing conservatives that enforcing progressive Christian virtues by the state is, in fact, anti-Christian. Maybe more specifically he's despised by some for his early years of following Jewish faith and converting to Catholicism, that got him bashed as a heretic in many circles. Largely he simply didn't side with those who were undoubtedly attempting to justify their own brand of progressive ideology via government social policies.

What we're those other sides up to during that time frame though? Hello Prohibition!! ... as one of many historical examples of how this goes off a cliff.

That's a whole can of worms to open but I'll short cut it by saying there are direct parallels in the arguments made today by liberal progressives trying to institute today's crazy and the Judeo-Christian progressivism that helped inistute prohibition in the early 1900s. That duality in argument can't be ignored by cheering any "brand" of social reformerisum. It is what it is!

That I think is the main knock against Meyer, it what he is known for.

Awkward? Uncomfortable?... It should be but that's where Meyer stood up and said this isn't right to do and Hammer is not touching his meaning or ignoring how that all arrived.

I'll strongly note that I'm not defending Meyer in anything... I'm saying that guys like him largely don't exist in today's politics anymore. If they did they would be an extreme right of most conservatives from a constitutional perspective. But again, he's an easy safe target to pick on because you'll have little defence from yesteryears political dead guy.

Just like you'll find few conservatives lining up to back French. He's unknown in most circles.

But again, and I'm repeating myself here but what is Hammer suggesting? The undertones of returning to yesteryears neochristan socal reformers? I'm kinda concluding that knowing where Myers hails from. Does Hammer? I really don't want to believe that.

What I am decisively not mincing words with here is the *defense of progressivism* by trying to narrow or limit the dangers of its it's definition to "liberal progressives"... Let's call progression what it really is... ANY social political philosophy under the guise of "social reform" backed by a government gunpoint.

Selling that idea will largely fall on dear ears to most conservatives. These arguments with rare exception can be coated with enough sugar for them to swallow. Roe is a GREAT example of that and the duality between the liberal / conservative battle. Rarely in modern times do we see w better example... Each side semily wants our government to enforce their OWN brands of beliefs in that subject. There however many conservatives out there saying this never belonged to the Fed's and let the states sort it out.

Am I going overboard here? Maybe, maybe not.

Kavanaugh nailed this issue on the head the other day in the Louisiana case when he said very plainly... "You have to pick one interest over the other; they can't both prevail." For following that with the question of "what does the constitution say?"... I guess by Hammer's philosophy, because of Meyer's theroy Kavanaugh is firmly in rubbish bin of the classic liberal Fusionism? Im speculating but it's a valid question put towards a legitimate current issue, I'd kinda like to know!

Kavanaugh certainly isn't within my comfort zone of "conservatives", I would say he's far less of a constitutionalist than I would prefer... But he isn't wrong in understanding that issue's duality.

So do we really sink to the terms of defining conservatives as "non-conservatives" because of their political beliefs not falling directly upon the values held in religious faith? That's been suggested here more than once. That's a HARSH if not downright offensive path to beat through the underbrush, especially if your goal is unity.

But Hammer went further down this rabbit hole... not at French but Meyer.

If I were to name a "libertarian institution" I would probably first say the Cato or Mises Institutes? He is being incredibly deceptive there to create a boogie man that most wouldn't understand in today's modem terms by pointing at the Heritage Foundation and calling it libertarian. The Heritage Foundation certainly wouldn't agree, neither would the actual libertarians.

I don't frequent the National Review, I'd say today it's generally another brand of propaganda I find to be offensive to reality in the "Fox News" kind of way. But I understand the argument Hammer is trying to make in linking Myer to his founding editor status there in the 1970s with something that doesn't exist in todays world of what would be defined as "classic liberal". I know a few things about the Heritage Foundation and would describe it to be up there with other *so called* but NOT conservative groups such as The Club For Growth. Those groups speak of conservativism, liberty and constitutional values wrapped in a cloak of big government! They are no friend of conservatives or follower of Trump.

Plainly, when I hear "Heritage" I think "Sean Hannity Republicans" and they are why the majority of modern conservatives are forever confused about why their expected representative party "says" one thing while actually "doing" another.

Mr Tick Tock / "99% are good" is one of those favorite propagandist I can't stand, I had no idea his audience was libertarians though... Kinda funny.

Again I'm connecting the dots given but Hammer seems more to me to be looking for blame and avoiding the historical blowback associated with social neochristan exceptionalisum. He seems to want to do this while avoiding plainly stating what he's after... I gather why is because like many he believes The Grand Ole Party been infiltrated by "something" and it must be some form of evil liberalism.

It's largely destroyed itself from within...

I offer a different take... And in all reality it doesn't side with any name in this. But what it does side strongly with is today's lack of moral character and sound political principles.

The GOP (to me) hasn't so much failed in it's lack of "fighting back" or playing too far into the game of "going along to get along" by placating any semblance of classic liberal principal. It's failed because it's become a wolf in sheeps clothing and has no actual principal except the principal of big government, that's been crafted by careful design. I often say most Republicans are not conservative but most conservatives identify as Republicans. The party speaks of conservative values to their base as a propaganda outlet while acting as a quazi agent of the government it's self. Why would it not? It's in the parties better interest of self enrichment and power. They are after all as a group in their own category of being another government entity.

At that point... Asking for party morality is like asking a government to police it's self.

Essentially, the result of that is what the populist Trump movement sees as "the problem" but largely refrains from concluding the full picture because its just to damn painful to accept... though I do see people coming around.

Also I'm not an absolutist here, my beliefs on this have migrated over time as evidence comes fourth. I'm wholly open to alternative theories but I have yet to find a better one that remotely comes close in the big picture.

And again maybe I've just overshot Hammer's implication but with the references given...I suspect not, as I said I doubt most even correctly understood them.

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