Fascinating Interview With Dr. Peter McCullough
Below I've inserted a half summary/half transcription of a fascinating interview that LifeSite did with Dr. Peter McCullough. The video on Rumble can be found here:
Top American doctor: COVID shots are ‘obsolete,’ dangerous, must be shut down
The interview, which is a little over half an hour long, is actually much more wide ranging than the title would indicate. However, McCullough speaks very rapidly, so a summary may help you to digest what he has to say. The interview, as you'll see, is very information dense. You'll also see that I initially started out with a summary format but quickly switched to something closer to a transcript.
One thing I'd like to point out. A few days ago a commenter made an inquiry about the Novavax vaccine that's supposed to be available within a few months. McCullough addresses that vaccine and believes that it will provide a viable and safe alternative for those who want a vaccine. He offers some explanation, which I'm not qualified to comment on.
With that, here's the summary/transcript:
Q: What about the variants? There's a lawsuit that claims that vax deaths in the US alone are around 45,000.
A: There are two parallel vax injury reporting systems--VAERS and V-SAFE (run by CDC). Also the Centers for Medicare Services (CMS) records deaths after vax, covering persons on Medicare and Medicaid. He hears that deaths are at "astronomical levels."
His primary focus--having had Covid himself--is: how to avoid hospitalization.
Q: Characterize the entire 'Covid Enterprise'.
A: The theme throughout the pandemic seems to have been: suppression of early treatment and implementing policies that create as much fear, hospitalization, suffering, and death as possible in order to prepare and promote mass vaccination. The theme is readily apparent. That is rapidly turning into forced vaccination.
There are five key scientific message re the virus.
1. Covid is NOT spread asymptomatically--only sick people give it to others.
2. We should NEVER do any testing of asymptomatic people. That only generates false positives. FDA NEVER approved these tests. WHO agrees: NO asymptomatic testing for any reason.
3. Natural immunity is robust, complete, and durable. There is no meaningful chance of having a second serious case of Covid. It has never happened in a confirmed case. It doesn't happen. "Natural immunity is robust, complete, and durable. It cannot be improved upon by vaccination or any other method." If you have natural immunity you can get "a big cough in the face" from someone with Covid, and nothing will happen.
4. Covid 19, no matter what variant, is easily treatable at home and it's amenable to risk stratification. People over age 50 with multiple medical problems should all receive forms of treatment, multi-drug treatments with simple available drugs, at home, to prevent hospitalization and death. About 85% of hospitalization death is completely avoidable with early treatment. The only time people end up in the hospital and have a miserable time is when they receive NO treatment. They end up being railroaded into the hospital after two weeks of being sick at home. It's easy to treat Covid in the early stages, but it gets progressively worse.
There are three major components [to the disease]. Viral replication, inflammation, and thrombosis. In the end, people die of blood clots, and it's very hard to reverse those. That's why, if we wait till hospitalization, it's too late. If we wait for oxygen levels to be low BECAUSE of blood clots in the lungs, it's too late.
5. Current Covid-19 vaccines--AstraZenica, J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna--right now are obsolete. They do not cover the new variants, patients are failing on these vaccines, they're being hospitalized and getting sick DESPITE having the vaccines. The vaccines at this time have amounted to record mortality and injury and should be considered unsafe and unfit for human use.
Q: How about the variants? Does natural immunity work for the variants?
A: The variants don't penetrate natural immunity. Naturally immune people can rest assured: they're fine.
Q: How is this information being censored? Is it hard to track this data from the medical side?
A: There is an overt censorship program called the Trusted News Initiative. It was announced to the world in December that social media and mass media was gonna do this. The Trusted News Initiative said that it's gonna do everything to promote vaccination and it's gonna do everything to scrub any information on early treatment, on vaccine safety. Anything not in line with the CDC and WHO--which means early treatment, vaccine safety--reporting on this is gonna be scrubbed.
We're six months into this program. Our agencies are yet to have a press briefing on product safety. The largest mass vaccination program in the history of the world! We should be having at least weekly updates on safety. As a result people no longer are interested in vaccines--the vax rate started falling off a cliff in April. That's why we're getting down to coercion.
The biggest double standard is that we do have approved emergency treatments--approved early monoclonal antibody treatments--Trump received one. The government pre-purchased 500 million doses of these, and to this day they're being hidden. No PSA on it. Patients, even seniors, who get Covid are not being given access to these treatments. Those same institutions that are withholding this information are railroading Americans into mass vaccination which the public doesn't want or need.
Q: What can patients ask for in terms of early treatment options? What can they say to require medical professionals to give them the treatment?
A: You should call your local hospital and DEMAND a Covid-19 Monoclonal Antibody infusion. They're offered by several companies, including Regeneron. Every major medical center should stock them. They have infusion times. You go into the ER, wear a mask, get an infusion in the ER, and go home. Some even have home health agencies that can administer them. It's sad that this is not promoted, nobody knows about it, and this is the double standard. These treatments are just as approved as the vaccines, but the vaccines don't apply to sick people. But our sick people aren't offered these treatments.
Q: Let's talk about the vaccines. What dangers do they present to the general public?
A: Initially we thought they were looking pretty good out of clinical trials. But we had a mortality signal emerge January 22--we were at 186 deaths. The usual we would get in an entire year with 70 vaccines and 500 million shots was about 158 deaths. 186 deaths was past a confidence limit for safety--if there had been a daily safety monitoring board they would have shut down the vax program in February. In an act of malfeasance, our FDA and CDC don't have any safety monitoring bodies. There is no oversight of safety in the vax program whatsoever. People take these injections at their own risk--it's an atrocity. These injections now fall into the category of products that we know have a dangerous mechanism of action. They're unsafe.
Q: Where do we stand on herd immunity, what is the vaccine role in that?
A: I testified in the TX senate on March 10 that we had achieved herd immunity by standard CDC equations without any vax effect. Herd immunity at that time was 80%. That was the green light to have opening day. Herd immunity doesn't mean the pandemic is over. It just means the virus can't spread very far when someone has it. Herd immunity based on natural immunity which is robust, complete, and durable--that's what we want.
The problem with the injections is that WE CAN'T COUNT ON THEM FOR IMMUNITY. The problem now is that the "vaccines" are failing. We're seeing LARGE numbers of cases in patients that have been fully vaccinated.
Q: You have called the spike protein in the vaccine as being "phase 2 in a bioterror weapon". Can you elaborate?
A: I don't know whether it's a biological terror weapon or not, but it's clearly a biological medicinal program that's gone bad. What we know is that the dangerous part of the virus is the spike protein. That was manipulated in what's called Gain of Function (GOF) research to be very damaging to the human body, and the wild type virus WAS [dangerous]. That came out of Wuhan and it was a very rough virus. But progressively over time the viruses mutated and got progressively weaker.
For the longest time this spring our variant was called the UK or Alpha variant. We now have the Beta (South African), the Gamma (Brazilian), the Delta (Indian) variants, and now we have the Lambda variant coming out of Peru--which has even more mutations--and now the Epsilon variant out of California. What's prompting all these mutations?
There's an analysis by Neeson (ph) from Boston and collaborators at Mayo Clinic have shown that, when we get to 25% vaccination in the population, that's when we start to promote these mutant strains. They're latent in the population and then they gain dominance as they scoot past the vaccine. So that happened. Actually, what prompted Delta was the Sinovac--the whole virus killed vaccine that was being used in India. What prompted the Lambda variant in Peru was also the Sinovac. It looks like Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J are promoting the Epsilon variant out of California.
So these strains emerge, and the number of strains is actually going down--we don't know whether that's good or bad. Over 90% of cases in the UK are Delta, which is not covered by Pfizer, Moderna, or AstraZenica. Last night on TV--40% of hospitalized patients in the UK with Delta have been fully vaccinated. We have reports out of Israel: 80% of ALL cases and 60% of hospitalized cases are fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. Understand: the vaccines have completely failed on the new variants or strains. The old strains, the wild type, are completely gone now! Delta is emerging as the dominant strain in the United States. It has rendered our current vax program completely ineffective--it's basically obsolete.
Q: People are worrying about what we might see this fall with the return of the flu season.
A: All the current epidemic curves are now coming from a low baseline. So, in Israel the Pfizer vaccines isn't controlling Delta, but Israel at its peak had 10K cases a day--currently it has 1K per day, and sure they're having a little rise. In the United States our maximums were way higher than they currently are--we're having a little rise with Delta, it's obvious now that it's not covered by the vaccines. But provided patients get early treatment we'll get through this.
Now for the fall, it does have a seasonal pattern. It all depends on the vaccines. If we continue with mass vaccination I think we will wind up with Lambda and Epsilon. Mass vaccination is, in a sense, backfiring on the population.
Q: Is there a danger of mass deaths or depopulation, such as mentioned by Dr. Yeadon?
A: I don't know. It looks like the strains are getting progressively weaker. The spike protein--which is the pathogenic part of the virus--is physically mutating, it's folding, it's getting smaller. That's how it's actually avoiding the antibodies, which are quite large. My crystal ball suggests that we're not gonna be wiped out by the virus itself. What we're really under threat of is continued death and injury and potential long term harm from the vaccines themselves.
Q: What do you say to doctors who are being canceled?
A: We have a fiduciary responsibility to our patients: Do no harm. We cannot ever deny them beneficial medication or coerce harmful medications. I have never been challenged by any doctor--they retreat in shame and fear [because of his authority in the field].
Q: What are your thoughts about the potential harms of the vaccines? Possible infertility--what are the ramifications?
A: Hundreds of millions of people got the vaccines. They were sick for a day or two, then they felt better. We hope they got some benefit. It looks like the vax program is gonna fail anyway. What we do know now is that the vaccines are genetic vaccines--they're actually classified as Gene Transfer Treatments, so they transfer genetic information into our cells either through Messenger RNA (mRNA) or Adenoviral DNA. They are FAILED biotechnology programs. They've been around for decades. They haven't worked out in being able to treat diseases like Fabre's (ph) disease or heart disease or cancer. They were repurposed to be vaccines and trick the body into making the dangerous spike protein--which turns out to be a really bad idea.
All the other vaccines that we take expose us to something and we form an immunity to it. Like a tetanus shot or a tetanus protein, as an example. But none of our other vaccines take over our body's cellular apparatus and cause our body to produce a foreign protein. That's what the Covid "vaccines" do. We're producing the foreign spike protein, the original Wuhan spike protein, that was the product of GOF research. Now we're having our bodies produce this and inside our cells the spike protein causes damage. It pokes through the surface of cells and causes our body to attack our OWN organs. Then the spike protein liberates from cells and circulates throughout the body for two weeks, damaging blood vessels, causing blood clots, and damaging key organs, like the brain, the heart, the immune system, and the hematologic system. And in a study published by Rose (ph) and colleagues in the Journal of Public Health and Policy Law demonstrates that the non-fatal injuries tend to skew toward younger individuals. Remember, younger individuals are people who don't need the vaccine anyway! These individuals suffer the brunt of these complications. There's over 400K of these that the CDC has certified.
As the brain is injured, we end up with forms of paralysis, memory impairment, blindness, ringing in the ears, paralysis of one side of the face, Bell's palsies, cervical myelitis--being paralyzed from the waist down--and some of these neurologic effects are LATE. Senator Ron Johnson held the first press briefing on vaccine injuries. The CDC and NIH are yet to have a single press briefing on this. Americans were stunned when they learned (in the Johnson briefing) that the original subjects from the clinical trials had the late emergence of these side effects NINE MONTHS LATER. Nine months later. These individuals ended up with forms of blindness, couldn't swallow, seizures. There was a little girl on a feeding tube. It was absolutely horrible.
That was just neurologic! Now we're facing the immediate cardiac effects of myocarditis. The FDA has put a warning on Pfizer and Moderna. What happens is, after the second shot, within about 48 hours, the spike protein is produced in heart muscle cells, it attracts inflammation in the heart, and then it actually starts damaging the heart to the point where there's chest pain, EKG changes, signs and symptoms of heart failure, marked elevations of [?], a blood test showing cardiac injury. It's typically ten to a hundred times higher than a typical heart attack. This is a massive amount of damage to the children's hearts. And then about 25% have signs and symptoms of heart failure: reduced [?] on echo-cardiography, and then they require heart failure medications, they can have no physical activity for several months, and then need follow-up. As a cardiologist I'm seeing these patients; I'm enormously disturbed. I'm completing the VAERS forms, and you know the CDC is checking and verifying the data, so what we're seeing in the CDC reports is REAL. The CDC has 2K kids who have been damaged by myocarditis--NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM NEEDED THE VACCINE TO BEGIN WITH! And college students are being forced to take a vaccine that is clearly causing harm.
Q: Does Messenger RNA change our DNA in any way?
A: Messenger RNA, which is normally made from human DNA, is typically used one time to produce a protein and then its dissolved by what's called RNA-ases (?). But when we have VIRAL sources of RNA, or when we make SNYTHETIC mRNA--which is what Pfizer and Moderna make--they are modified in a way, particularly the sythetic RNAs, to resist destruction. And we think they're used over and over again. That's the reason why they create such high levels of spike protein and antibody response. And we knew from other disease platforms that these Messenger RNAs are long lasting in the body--they're not gone in a couple of days like we originally thought. They're probably there for months or more.
In a recent paper by Anthony Kiragokoulos (?) that is in a pre-print from Athens, Greece, he's demonstrated that these Messenger RNAs, in a sense, are incompatible with cellular life. They change the thermodynamics of cells. Cells are not made to handle yet another piece of Messenger RNA over and over again. If these stay in the cells long enough and the caps (?) become modified, it's possible that they can be reverse transcribed. And that means, from Messenger RNA we can actually have a piece of DNA put in, and that DNA gets put into OUR chromosomal DNA. We know this happens with other forms of RNA like retroviruses--they're reverse transcribed. We have a library of non-human DNA in our chromosomes. It's called the Herve (?) library. The concern is that, in fact, these forms of genetic treatments will indeed be gene transferred. They were designed to be gene transferred products to begin with! Then we'll actually get some genetic material permanently transferred and transcribed into our chromosomes. I can tell ya, I don't know a single person that wants that. For all those reasons I think it's time to close down the experimental mRNA or Adenoviral DNA programs.
There ARE some safe vaccines coming! One of them's called Novavax, and that is an antigen based vaccine, like a tetanus booster. It looks like it creates a sore arm, but it's every bit as good as Pfizer or Moderna and it involves no genetic manipulation of the human body. So, if there was a senior citizen or health care worker that got left out of the program and they needed a vaccine this fall, I think they can look forward to Novavax.
Q: Any parting words?
A: My advice right now, and it's from a position of medical authority, really there's no one in the world who has more medical authority right now than I do, is: Go ahead and shut down the vax program. It's not working. It's failed. We don't wanna see another person harmed with the vaccine. Let's immediately pivot to early treatment. Use the early treatment protocols that I've published and are widely used in the world. There are other! Use protocols that are available in your part of the world to treat high risk patients with available drugs to reduce hospitalization and death. That's gonna be your way out of our crisis. Right now the vaccine is clearly making things worse. Patients are not being treated and things are gonna be much worse in a few months if we don't make these immediate changes that I've advised all governments in the world to make. [Smiles]