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Ray-SoCa's avatar

Multi family is an area I work in and if you want a simple gurus test, ask them about Shadowstats and what the real inflation rate was in the Biden years.

Out of state syndicators are hurting I’ve heard. This is a group that puts money together to buy properties.

What’s happening is multi family outside California was properties were bought at low interest rates, and commercial loans are only for 5 years. And some are variable interest rates. They bought at negative cash flow and assumed rents would continue the astronomical rise. And did not account for the new builds. Or rents falling. Or insurance rates increasing (Florida I’ve heard, and definitely California).

California is pretty solid. The valuations are still sky high, and people are buying at negative cash flow. Cap rates around 6%. Sales are slow. Owners are fleeing La city. New builds were only happening in the luxury segment or government subsidized. In California owners are hurting because costs are increasing, especially in super rent controlled areas. Hiring a person with taxes etc is basically $30 an hour. Insurance has doubled for us. And the legal liability is increasing, where landlords feel you have a target on your back. It’s hard for a small guy to stay up to date on all the laws.

We are seeking to move more into commercial due to the negatives in multifamily. It’s a service business and for small owners it’s exhausting. And using a management company has many costs.

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G1 Tim's avatar

Your comment on the UK is a good summary view from 10,000 ft. Get down to 5,000 ft and the immigration issue begins to stand out. Get down to the ground and you will understand why parts of London are called Londonistan as well as similarly other large regional cities, particularly in the Midlands and North East. These were the heartlands of heavy industry, steel casting, precision engineering, shipbuilding, car manufacturing, offshore oil and gas drilling with onshore engineering etc etc. All mostly gone and mostly as a result of government policies. People used to believe that this was due to Conservative party policies, and are not wrong, except that Labour sold them out under Tony Blair back in 96-97. I read that US tax rates of 40% kick in around $640k income per annum, here they kick in around $100,000 pa. People are truly fed up at almost every single policy that is being pursued yet voting one set of fcks out changes nothing or makes it even worse.

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